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stup idity
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Posted - 2013.06.21 12:10:00 -
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I think it's because they simple have no equal in what they can do.
You get a heavy tackler with 400 - 500 dps or nullified scan ship (which still can have some dps) with a very heavy tank. High resists and the ability for most of them to fit into armor fleet doctrines let them stay on field when the battle escalates - something that is much harder to do with Arazus or Rapiers.
I think the whole "t3 is op" discussion has to do with the immense tanks they can fit that overshine those of most other sub-caps (and of course the obvious boosting capabilities, but I guess nobody is questioning that).
Much too blame is the ability to fit dual 1600mm plates on some fittings and the high hitpoint gain with the defensive buffer subs. Fix those things and bring tech2 cruisers up a little and all will be good - hopefully.
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stup idity
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Posted - 2013.06.21 14:29:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
Legion can have a much bigger tank, but cannot field any drones, so while it can neut well it cannot apply any DPS.
Of course it can. Neuting-sub is electronic and can be combined with the drone offensive sub or the cloaky one.
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stup idity
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:36:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:A cloaky loki with 200k+ buffer tank? I need to see this fit please.
195k ehp with all 5 and passive boost; implants not included.
[Proteus, cov]
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Wake Limiter
5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Void M)
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Warp Disruptor II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
2x Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized EM Membrane
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
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Posted - 2013.06.24 17:54:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:Elepherious wrote:The TIII Ships should be like a utility tool, While it can accomplish many goals in a single tool it does none of them particularly well. Wherein, you can use a multitool to unscrew something, but the better designed screw driver gets the job done quicker and more efficiently. or you can use a multitool to open a can, but the can opener does it better.
Same premiss, it should fit multiple roles, but not do them as well as the actual TII variants designed for the role.
You should be able to fit a HAC like fitting, but it shouldn't be as powerful as an actual HAC. Or can fit a booster fitting, but not as effectively as a booster.
... Also I have a cloaky Prot with 276 EHP tank... It happens. A cloaky loki with 200k+ buffer tank? I need to see this fit please.
this one has >200k ehp with passive boost, no implants, all 5:
[Loki, covops]
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
5x Dual 180mm AutoCannon II (Hail M)
2x Stasis Webifier II
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
2x 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
2x Centum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Kinetic Membrane
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
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Posted - 2013.06.24 19:30:00 -
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Onomerous wrote:Meytal wrote:Onomerous wrote:stup idity wrote:Onomerous wrote:A cloaky loki with 200k+ buffer tank? I need to see this fit please. [fit posted] nice fit... weak on DPS but I guess if this is your scouting guy. Wouldn't fly that as a normal line member though. Very interesting. So, you have to sacrifice DPS/etc to achieve a crazy tank. That sounds like it is working as intended to me. Well, yes. I agree 100%. That's the thing with just about any ship (T3 especially)... you can do lots of things with them but there is a trade-off. The fit is not something I would fly but I guess it is possible to get >200k tank on a cloaky loki. No offensive intended to anyone but that seems like an EFT warrior fit to me. Just my opinion.
just thrown together in a couple of minutes to see if it's possible. I doubt anybody would actually fly something like this.
Either: cloaky + damage for the whole fleet (should still have 100k+ ehp)
or: heavy tank + probes + tackle, no real need for dps and rest of fleet on standby.
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